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    Avoid this if you haven’t read Moon Rising yet and do not wish to know its contents.

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    As soon as I read about Onyx the first thought that came into my mind was, she is Blister in disguise. As I continued this notion became almost completely implausible. (I put almost to appease that sliver of hope I have for her actually being Blister. *sigh*)

    However, a new idea formed in my mind after I read Moonwatcher reading Onyx’s thoughts, and I searched through the entire book of Moon Rising to see if this new theory could be possible.

    Here is my theory:

    Onyx is the daughter of Palm and Smolder.

    It makes sense in my mind, and although I’m not very good at lecturing as some others on here (you know who you are), I hope I can make some of you at least hear me out.

    Now when we first actually meet Onyx, the dragonets are having their History lesson with Webs. After Icicle asked him a question about Peril, Onyx states that she’d like to know more about Thorn. Notice how she does not refer to Thorn as Queen Thorn, and when Qibli corrects her she takes no notice. From what she says afterwards you can see that she believes that only those descended from the royal family have the right to the throne. If you don’t believe me look at the passage.

    “’I’d like to know more about Thorn,’ Onyx spoke up.

    ‘You mean Queen Thorn,’ Qibli snapped.

    ‘It’s unprecedented, right?’ asked Onyx, ignoring him. ‘There’s never been a queen in history who wasn’t descended from the royal family. Isn’t that true?’

    ‘Well not exactly -' Webs tried.

    ‘Queen Thorn’s the best queen the SandWings have ever had,’ Qibli flared loyally. ‘If you think you can do better, maybe you should challenge her for the throne.’

    ‘But that’s my point,’ Onyx said sharply. ‘Does this mean now anyone could take the throne and become queen? Could that happen in other tribes, too? I mean, it sounds like asking for chaos and rebellion everywhere. That’s all I’m saying.’” Page 142

    I’d also like to point out how her last two sentences seem like she is trying to cover what she has said by using a decent reason, but not one that fits with her question about the royal lineage.

    In Chapter 20, on page 243, Moonwatcher sees more into Onyx’s thoughts.


    When Onyx is comparing Tamarin to her mother she thinks about how “she doesn’t snore like Mother or tell weepy stories and expect me to care” and I thought to myself about who would have weepy stories? A few dragons played through my mind, but none of them could be remotely connected to Onyx EXCEPT Palm and Smolder’s story.

    Are any of you seeing where this is coming from?

    I went back to where Moonwatcher first started reading Onyx’s thoughts on page 241.

    That’s right, admire me, fear me, wonder about me. You all have no idea who I am or what I’ll be one day. One day soon. No more hiding, Mother. I make the decisions now.”

    Who could she be that would make her so important? Why would she and her mother be hiding?

    Only one thing is possible now. Onyx is Palm and Smolder’s dragonet (although she isn’t really a dragonet now) and all through the war her mother, Palm, prevented her from trying to claim the throne, staying hidden.

    Oasis probably did something to make her fear coming back, so Smolder believed she was gone already.

    On page 245 Onyx thinks about a plan. She considers Qibli in her plan. Qibli is very close to Thorn (I’d like to say obsessed with her) and Onyx is probably planning to use him to learn more about Thorn so she can take the throne.

    Earlier, Onyx said she was 19. Since Oasis was killed 20 years ago, that means she hatched one year after Oasis was killed. Coincidence? Not. Back in The Brightest Night Smolder was allowed to keep Flower because he was still depressed about Palm. If he was still depressed, then Palm’s disappearance must have happened recently before the scavenger incident. If it was recently then if Palm had an egg, the dragon from it would be around 19, like Onyx is.

    Lastly, Sunny mentions Smolder when she is talking about Bandit’s problem. Names are never used without them being important in books by Tui T. Sutherland. Darkstalker was mentioned in the last book. He’s very important in this book. Moonwatcher was mentioned in the last book. She is the main character. Smolder is mentioned in this book. He will be important to the plot.

    That's all I have to say. Good night.

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    • Hmm, good theory! I've only just started reading the part where Onyx is introduced, and somehow she's already become one of my favorite characters. 83

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    • Um you mean Darkstalker right because their isn't a character named Dreamstalker.

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    • Yes, that's what I meant I was typing this before I went to bed so I was tired.

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    • This theory makes sense! At first I thought that Onyx was Blister and her essence was sent to another dragon's body (Onyx's body) when she was turned to ashes. I read that book late at night, I had crazy theories! Then I read your theory.

      Your theory makes sense because Palm and Smolder's story was mentioned several times in HK and BN. Why would a story be mentioned that many times unless it had a purpose? This is an important rule in writing: Authors never waste details.

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    • I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought she was Blister. xP And yes, that's what I was thinking. It wouldn't make sense if something was mentioned that many times without a purpose.

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    • Blister is a very large dragon, Onyx is only a dragonet. Good theory but I'm not really sure, also about the hatched a year after Oasis's death, Blister would have to be born before that, she was the second oldest out of her sisters, oldest being Burn.

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    • My theory is not that Onyx is Blister, that was just my initial reaction to her character. My theory is that Onyx is the daughter of Smolder and Palm.

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    • Remember, in HK Blaze was talking about Palm and Smolder. She said that Palm disappeared and everyone thinks she was killed by Oasis.

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    • Ajistofast wrote:
      Blister is a very large dragon, Onyx is only a dragonet. Good theory but I'm not really sure, also about the hatched a year after Oasis's death, Blister would have to be born before that, she was the second oldest out of her sisters, oldest being Burn.


      I don't think Onyx is a dragonet... I'm pretty sure it said she was 19.

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    • ThatDragonLayingAround wrote:
      Remember, in HK Blaze was talking about Palm and Smolder. She said that Palm disappeared and everyone thinks she was killed by Oasis.

      Exactly!

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:
      ThatDragonLayingAround wrote:
      Remember, in HK Blaze was talking about Palm and Smolder. She said that Palm disappeared and everyone thinks she was killed by Oasis.
      Exactly!

      It kind of sucks that the love of Smoulder's life would have been alive for the 20 years he thought she was dead and then died shortly after the war after being hit by a meteor

      Another thing to make this theory more logical was in TBN it said that Oasis had six dragonets so there wouldn't be too many challengers and that she didn't care about her children much, so it isn't hard to imagine Oasis finding out she was pregnant and threatening to kill her, Smoulder, or the dragonet unless she left

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    • Three dragonets, not six. But you are right.

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    • No, six. Burn, Blaze, Blister, Smoulder, and two unnamed dead brothers

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    • I forgot about the brothers. But in the book it says she only wanted three heirs to the throne, so I got confused.

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:


      '~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~'

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      Avoid this if you haven’t read Moon Rising yet and do not wish to know its contents.

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

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      As soon as I read about Onyx the first thought that came into my mind was, she is Blister in disguise. As I continued this notion became almost completely implausible. (I put almost to appease that sliver of hope I have for her actually being Blister. *sigh*)

      However, a new idea formed in my mind after I read Moonwatcher reading Onyx’s thoughts, and I searched through the entire book of Moon Rising to see if this new theory could be possible.

      Here is my theory:

      Onyx is the daughter of Palm and Smolder.

      It makes sense in my mind, and although I’m not very good at lecturing as some others on here (you know who you are), I hope I can make some of you at least hear me out.

      Now when we first actually meet Onyx, the dragonets are having their History lesson with Webs. After Icicle asked him a question about Peril, Onyx states that she’d like to know more about Thorn. Notice how she does not refer to Thorn as Queen Thorn, and when Qibli corrects her she takes no notice. From what she says afterwards you can see that she believes that only those descended from the royal family have the right to the throne. If you don’t believe me look at the passage.

      “’I’d like to know more about Thorn,’ Onyx spoke up.

      ‘You mean Queen Thorn,’ Qibli snapped.

      ‘It’s unprecedented, right?’ asked Onyx, ignoring him. ‘There’s never been a queen in history who wasn’t descended from the royal family. Isn’t that true?’

      ‘Well not exactly -' Webs tried.

      ‘Queen Thorn’s the best queen the SandWings have ever had,’ Qibli flared loyally. ‘If you think you can do better, maybe you should challenge her for the throne.’

      ‘But that’s my point,’ Onyx said sharply. ‘Does this mean now anyone could take the throne and become queen? Could that happen in other tribes, too? I mean, it sounds like asking for chaos and rebellion everywhere. That’s all I’m saying.’” Page 142

      I’d also like to point out how her last two sentences seem like she is trying to cover what she has said by using a decent reason, but not one that fits with her question about the royal lineage.

      In Chapter 20, on page 243, Moonwatcher sees more into Onyx’s thoughts.


      When Onyx is comparing Tamarin to her mother she thinks about how “she doesn’t snore like Mother or tell weepy stories and expect me to care” and I thought to myself about who would have weepy stories? A few dragons played through my mind, but none of them could be remotely connected to Onyx EXCEPT Palm and Smolder’s story.

      Are any of you seeing where this is coming from?

      I went back to where Moonwatcher first started reading Onyx’s thoughts on page 241.

      That’s right, admire me, fear me, wonder about me. You all have no idea who I am or what I’ll be one day. One day soon. No more hiding, Mother. I make the decisions now.”

      Who could she be that would make her so important? Why would she and her mother be hiding?

      Only one thing is possible now. Onyx is Palm and Smolder’s dragonet (although she isn’t really a dragonet now) and all through the war her mother, Palm, prevented her from trying to claim the throne, staying hidden.

      Oasis probably did something to make her fear coming back, so Smolder believed she was gone already.

      On page 245 Onyx thinks about a plan. She considers Qibli in her plan. Qibli is very close to Thorn (I’d like to say obsessed with her) and Onyx is probably planning to use him to learn more about Thorn so she can take the throne.

      Earlier, Onyx said she was 19. Since Oasis was killed 20 years ago, that means she hatched one year after Oasis was killed. Coincidence? Not. Back in The Brightest Night Smolder was allowed to keep Flower because he was still depressed about Palm. If he was still depressed, then Palm’s disappearance must have happened recently before the scavenger incident. If it was recently then if Palm had an egg, the dragon from it would be around 19, like Onyx is.

      Lastly, Sunny mentions Smolder when she is talking about Bandit’s problem. Names are never used without them being important in books by Tui T. Sutherland. Darkstalker was mentioned in the last book. He’s very important in this book. Moonwatcher was mentioned in the last book. She is the main character. Smolder is mentioned in this book. He will be important to the plot.

      That's all I have to say. Good night.

      Interesting idea. Very interesting. This might be true. The one part I am not so sure about is this: Why would Tui T. Sutherland go into such great deatail to create a charater related to previous charater? the only think I can think of, is the same as yours; All the connections will be important later in the series. We will see if this is true or not when the next four books come out. I would never have noticed this. If this is true, ... ... ... ...

      ...

      Who ...

      What made you notice? I wouldent think anyone should, or would notice, unless they new something before hand. The book has only came out 25 hours and 20 minutes ago in EST. You come up with this (and posted it) 9 hours ago. 16 hours after book came out(EST). I would have to have read the book many times over to notice. It takes me about 3 and a half hours to reed a book of this length. (I timed my reading of this book. :P). If i didnt stop, I could probably read the book 4 times by the time you came up with it. Not to mention, to write all this, and cheack the other books. I would really like to know what tipped you off. 

            Thanks, and Interesting idea,

            StanleyMinesRainWing

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    • Well, I got the book around 1 PM under my tree (thanks Santa!) and then I read it in about 2 and a halfish hours. I reread parts that were interesting to me, such as Moon reading Onyx's thoughts.The thing that set me off was when Moon was wondering about Onyx's mysterious plans and how they involved Qibli because of his connection to Thorn.

      At first I thought she could be Blister some how, but then I went back to all the places where Onyx was mentioned and very carefully read through them all. I probably read through the passages I mentioned and quoted at least 7 times and each time I thought about the things from the past books, so the Smolder and Palm story really stuck due to how convenient Onyx's life did not contradict anything. Her life story, the way she reacted to answering questions, they all seemed to fit in my idea of someone with the royal family in her history. And, then I just typed this up.

      I didn't go back to check the other books though. I  have a decent memory of all the events in the books before so I didn't bother to check, since my memory has never been wrong.

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    • Hm. Neet. Thanks!

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    • Thanks for taking the time to read my half asleep writing! Really, almost no one reads what I write.

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    • There's a key alternative possibility:

      Onyx could be Blister's daughter.

      Think about it--that rock which killed her mother could be the Eye of Onyx.

      I'll post more once I actually read the book. 8P

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    • No the rock was a falling meteor chunk

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    • It's possible that Onyx is lying about where she got the skyfire. But I feel like Onyx is telling the truth about everything. I don't know why. And I also think it would give importance to Smolder's love story, since why talk about that when it's not really important unless it will be used later on? I can't wait until you read the book! You'll come up with so many more ideas that we can discuss.

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    • Well, she talked about it while someone else had the skyfire, so Moon could see her memories at the time.

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    • Awesome theory! I like it.

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:
      Thanks for taking the time to read my half asleep writing! Really, almost no one reads what I write.
      • Offtopic* ... I feel bad for you. :(
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    • This is a really good theory. I totally looked over Onyx! I think that you should also notice that when Onyx tell Ostrich about her diamonds (expensive gems) and how if she can handle the pain for beauty, she could handle battle.

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    • Perhaps she is the one who is not what she seems from the prophecy.

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    • Sosopearl wrote:
      Perhaps she is the one who is not what she seems from the prophecy.

      Maybe. Will have to think about this...

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    • GUYS SHE HAS SMOULDER'S EYES

      ALSO KNOWN AS "VERY BLACK"

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    • Sosopearl wrote:
      Perhaps she is the one who is not what she seems from the prophecy.

      Yep, I totally believe this wholeheartedly. She is the one who is not what she seems like how Scarlet is the stalker of dreams. And don't worry, I looked over her the first time I read the book. *was too infatuated by Moon having powers and Darkstalker* XD

      @Wolf the IceWing

      Where does it say that? Even though all SandWings have black eyes I just want to see it in context. Tui T. Sutherland could be dropping hints...

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:
      Sosopearl wrote:
      Perhaps she is the one who is not what she seems from the prophecy.
      Yep, I totally believe this wholeheartedly. She is the one who is not what she seems like how Scarlet is the stalker of dreams. And don't worry, I looked over her the first time I read the book. *was too infatuated by Moon having powers and Darkstalker* XD

      @Wolf the IceWing

      Where does it say that? Even though all SandWings have black eyes I just want to see it in context. Tui T. Sutherland could be dropping hints...

      I don't know the actual page but it was her first appearence when she showed up late for class.

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    • Oxyx is not the daughter of Palm and Smolder. Oasis had Palm killed (or so I presume she was killed) before the war even began. Also, Onyx mentioned that her mother was killed on the false brightest night by a piece of the comet. So, it is impossible for Onyx to be the daughter of Palm and Smolder. I don't think Oasis intended for Palm to survive for twenty years. It's just unlikely.

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    • Wingsofire
      Wingsofire removed this reply because:
      I typed without thinking.
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    • Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote: There's a key alternative possibility:

      Onyx could be Blister's daughter.

      Think about it--that rock which killed her mother could be the Eye of Onyx.

      I'll post more once I actually read the book. 8P

      PEOPLE, GET A BRAIN!!! BLISTER DOES NOT HAVE ANY DAUGHTERS!!!! OASIS MADE SURE OF THAT!!

      You're implying we don't have brains?

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    • Wingsofire wrote:
      Oxyx is not the daughter of Palm and Smolder. Oasis had Palm killed (or so I presume she was killed) before the war even began. Also, Onyx mentioned that her mother was killed on the false brightest night by a piece of the comet. So, it is impossible for Onyx to be the daughter of Palm and Smolder. I don't think Oasis intended for Palm to survive for twenty years. It's just unlikely.

      We don't know what Oasis did to Palm, and anything mentioned always ends up being important. For all we know, Oasis could have exiled or threatened Palm and she fled. 

      Onyx was 19 and it takes 1 year for an egg to hatch, Palm vanished right before the war started 20 years previously, Onyx's mother aparently told sad stories and avoid society.

      The only thing about that is that means that Palm got killed by skyfire 20 years after Smoulder thought she died, so he'll never se her again.

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    • It's as likely that Smolder had a daughter as that Blister had one. Besides, Blister's clever. She could have hidden an egg. Or just killed it herself to get rid of any more extra competition.

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    • HarpyoftheRainWings wrote:
      It's as likely that Smolder had a daughter as that Blister had one. Besides, Blister's clever. She could have hidden an egg. Or just killed it herself to get rid of any more extra competition.

      But Onyx said her mom was killed by the skyfire.

      Besides, what SandWIng would mate with her?

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    • Wingsofire
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    • Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote: There's a key alternative possibility:

      Onyx could be Blister's daughter.

      Think about it--that rock which killed her mother could be the Eye of Onyx.

      I'll post more once I actually read the book. 8P

      PEOPLE, GET A BRAIN!!! BLISTER DOES NOT HAVE ANY DAUGHTERS!!!! OASIS MADE SURE OF THAT!!
      You're implying we don't have brains?

      You obviously don't if you think Onyx is the daughter of Palm and Smolder.

      Okay, that's pretty insulting.

      I suggest you apologize.

      Now.

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    • Wingsofire wrote:
      Oxyx is not the daughter of Palm and Smolder. Oasis had Palm killed (or so I presume she was killed) before the war even began. Also, Onyx mentioned that her mother was killed on the false brightest night by a piece of the comet. So, it is impossible for Onyx to be the daughter of Palm and Smolder. I don't think Oasis intended for Palm to survive for twenty years. It's just unlikely.

      Presume. There is no proof Oasis killed Palm. Smolder said that he never saw Palm again. That does not mean that Oasis killed her. Palm could have fled. There is no definites. Unlikely doesn't mean not possible. It's unlikely that Crocodile lived. But there is always a possiblity to everything. Nothing is impossible. Even if Oasis didn't intend for her to survive, she died. Oasis died. Maybe she died before she could track Palm and kill her. Who knows?


      And how dare you say we don't have brains just from what we believe in. It is a theory. No need to shoot it down as if we said that your entire life is a lie.

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    • Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote: There's a key alternative possibility:

      Onyx could be Blister's daughter.

      Think about it--that rock which killed her mother could be the Eye of Onyx.

      I'll post more once I actually read the book. 8P

      PEOPLE, GET A BRAIN!!! BLISTER DOES NOT HAVE ANY DAUGHTERS!!!! OASIS MADE SURE OF THAT!!
      You're implying we don't have brains?

      You obviously don't if you think Onyx is the daughter of Palm and Smolder.

      Okay that's really rude.

      It's not like it specificlly said or hinted against it, there's actually evidence for it, it's a legit theory.

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    • lets NOT get into an argument about something thats very off topic and rude. personally, i think we alll have brains. possibly, a zombie ate mine, because i CANT THINK OF WHAT TO NAME THIS OC OF MINE FOR THE LIFE OF MEH!!!!! XD

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    • TheHappyDragon wrote:
      lets NOT get into an argument about something thats very off topic and rude. personally, i think we alll have brains. possibly, a zombie ate mine, because i CANT THINK OF WHAT TO NAME THIS OC OF MINE FOR THE LIFE OF MEH!!!!! XD

      Wait what is this OC you speak of?

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    • SkyWing. I have made up many good names ( I still have to narrow them down to 1 or 2 ) but I can't think of a good name. Crimson is the only I thought of, but I don't know if it's taken yet or not.

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    • TheHappyDragon wrote:
      SkyWing. I have made up many good names ( I still have to narrow them down to 1 or 2 ) but I can't think of a good name. Crimson is the only I thought of, but I don't know if it's taken yet or not.

      Breeze, Gust, Gale, Cougar, Dawn, Topaz, Falcon, Eagle, and Swallow could all be names

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:
      Oxyx is not the daughter of Palm and Smolder. Oasis had Palm killed (or so I presume she was killed) before the war even began. Also, Onyx mentioned that her mother was killed on the false brightest night by a piece of the comet. So, it is impossible for Onyx to be the daughter of Palm and Smolder. I don't think Oasis intended for Palm to survive for twenty years. It's just unlikely.

      Presume. There is no proof Oasis killed Palm. Smolder said that he never saw Palm again. That does not mean that Oasis killed her. Palm could have fled. There is no definites. Unlikely doesn't mean not possible. It's unlikely that Crocodile lived. But there is always a possiblity to everything. Nothing is impossible. Even if Oasis didn't intend for her to survive, she died. Oasis died. Maybe she died before she could track Palm and kill her. Who knows?

      We know Crocodile is dead. Sutherland herself has confirmed it. You can't survive poison when it gets in your eyes, as it did with Crocodile.

      Even if Palm was Onyx's mother, we know she's dead, regardless.

      But I know that Palm cannot be Onyx's mother. The theories don't fit the facts.

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    • Wolf the IceWing wrote:

      TheHappyDragon wrote:
      SkyWing. I have made up many good names ( I still have to narrow them down to 1 or 2 ) but I can't think of a good name. Crimson is the only I thought of, but I don't know if it's taken yet or not.

      Breeze, Gust, Gale, Cougar, Dawn, Topaz, Falcon, Eagle, and Swallow could all be names

      Really!?!?! None of those r taken? I LOVE U WOLF!!!!, *tackle hugs wolf*

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    • This is going to be my headcannon from now on

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    • Wingsofire wrote:

      Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:
      Oxyx is not the daughter of Palm and Smolder. Oasis had Palm killed (or so I presume she was killed) before the war even began. Also, Onyx mentioned that her mother was killed on the false brightest night by a piece of the comet. So, it is impossible for Onyx to be the daughter of Palm and Smolder. I don't think Oasis intended for Palm to survive for twenty years. It's just unlikely.

      Presume. There is no proof Oasis killed Palm. Smolder said that he never saw Palm again. That does not mean that Oasis killed her. Palm could have fled. There is no definites. Unlikely doesn't mean not possible. It's unlikely that Crocodile lived. But there is always a possiblity to everything. Nothing is impossible. Even if Oasis didn't intend for her to survive, she died. Oasis died. Maybe she died before she could track Palm and kill her. Who knows?

      We know Crocodile is dead. Sutherland herself has confirmed it. You can't survive poison when it gets in your eyes, as it did with Crocodile.

      Even if Palm was Onyx's mother, we know she's dead, regardless.

      But I know that Palm cannot be Onyx's mother. The theories don't fit the facts.

      What do you mean the theories do not fit the facts? I quoted directly from the text to support my theory. The text is straight from Tui T. Sutherland. I want to see YOUR proof of why there is not the slimmest chance Onyx is Palm and Smolder's daughter. If you can give me legit evidence quoted from the text with page numbers so I can check I WILL admit that I am wrong. Until then, I will not accept your rebuttal.

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    • Tsunami SeaWing wrote:
      This is going to be my headcannon from now on

      This has been mine since I found this.

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    • Um, headcanon?

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    • Something you think is right, until the author says otherwise.

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    • Or even after the author says otherwise, in some cases. Tons of Transformers fans have the headcanon that Transformers: The Movie never happened. Me included.

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    • HarpyoftheRainWings wrote: Or even after the author says otherwise, in some cases. Tons of Transformers fans have the headcanon that Transformers: The Movie never happened. Me included.

      Because the movie stunk, right?

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    • I'm really sorry for my outbursts, guys. I really am. But my opinion has not changed. I still don't think Palm is Onyx's mother. I have no proof. I'm sure we'll find out eventually who Onyx really is.

      From what I gathered from her few thoughts we heard (through Moon) I'd say she's pretty important. If she is Smolder's daughter, he is clearly not aware of it.

      I also don't think Morrowseer was ever aware that he had a daughter as well. Secretkeeper said he could not be trusted. And truthfully, he doesn't deserve anyone's trust.

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    • I accept your apology. We all get heated up in our discussions.

      Just, um, beware of saying ill of Morrowseer.

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    • DON'T say ANYTHING bad about morrowseer or whirly EVER!!! or else Matau and i will ************** sorry, i got carried away....

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    • oh and just saying where th ***** is, that means lecture you to death

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    • TheHappyDragon wrote: DON'T say ANYTHING bad about morrowseer or whirly EVER!!! or else Matau and i will ************** sorry, i got carried away....

      Why can't I have negative feelings toward Morrowseer? He's the closest thing to a villain in the series (even more than Scarlet, who only makes a few brief appearances after Book One). Plotting to wipe out an entire tribe just to get a new home is beyond evil.

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    • Wingsofire wrote:

      TheHappyDragon wrote: DON'T say ANYTHING bad about morrowseer or whirly EVER!!! or else Matau and i will ************** sorry, i got carried away....

      Why can't I have negative feelings toward Morrowseer? He's the closest thing to a villain in the series (even more than Scarlet, who only makes a few brief appearances after Book One). Plotting to wipe out an entire tribe just to get a new home is beyond evil.

      Easy for you to say.

      You're not going extinct.

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    • You're not starving, and breathing sulfur, and in constant fear of dying from the volcano.

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    • Matau99 wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:

      TheHappyDragon wrote: DON'T say ANYTHING bad about morrowseer or whirly EVER!!! or else Matau and i will ************** sorry, i got carried away....

      Why can't I have negative feelings toward Morrowseer? He's the closest thing to a villain in the series (even more than Scarlet, who only makes a few brief appearances after Book One). Plotting to wipe out an entire tribe just to get a new home is beyond evil.

      Easy for you to say.

      You're not going extinct.

      Do you justify what Morrowseer was going to do? Kill all the RainWings just to find a new home for the NightWings?

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    • THEY WERE GOING EXTINCT. THEY WERE STRAVING, BREATHING SULFUR, UNDER THE THREAT OF BEING KILLED FROM THE VOLCANO, LOSING SO MANY EGGS THAT ONLY ONE EGG HATCHED A YEAR, THEY WERE ALL SICK, AND THEY WEREN'T GETTING THE MOON OR ANYTHING I NEEDED TO STAY HEALTHY AND STRONG.

      (Not trying to yell, just trying to get you to actually see what I'm saying)

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    • Tsunami SeaWing wrote:
      THEY WERE GOING EXTINCT. THEY WERE STRAVING, BREATHING SULFUR, UNDER THE THREAT OF BEING KILLED FROM THE VOLCANO, LOSING SO MANY EGGS THAT ONLY ONE EGG HATCHED A YEAR, THEY WERE ALL SICK, AND THEY WEREN'T GETTING THE MOON OR ANYTHING I NEEDED TO STAY HEALTHY AND STRONG.

      (Not trying to yell, just trying to get you to actually see what I'm saying)

      But they still kind of went directly to genocide. Not only was it cruel for the RainWings but also extremely dangerous for themselves. WHy didn't they try negotiating with the RainWings instead of risking losing countless lives in a deadly battle to wipe out another Tribe?

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    • Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:

      TheHappyDragon wrote: DON'T say ANYTHING bad about morrowseer or whirly EVER!!! or else Matau and i will ************** sorry, i got carried away....

      Why can't I have negative feelings toward Morrowseer? He's the closest thing to a villain in the series (even more than Scarlet, who only makes a few brief appearances after Book One). Plotting to wipe out an entire tribe just to get a new home is beyond evil.
      Easy for you to say.

      You're not going extinct.

      Do you justify what Morrowseer was going to do? Kill all the RainWings just to find a new home for the NightWings?

      Justify? No. It was wrong.

      But it's understandable, and it doesn't make him evil.

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    • I tried to warn you. Do not speak ill of Morrowseer unless you want to incur the wrath of more than half of the wiki. And I would rather not have this topic veer off into another Morrowseer bashing and defending arguement. Please?

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    • Matau99 wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:

      TheHappyDragon wrote: DON'T say ANYTHING bad about morrowseer or whirly EVER!!! or else Matau and i will ************** sorry, i got carried away....

      Why can't I have negative feelings toward Morrowseer? He's the closest thing to a villain in the series (even more than Scarlet, who only makes a few brief appearances after Book One). Plotting to wipe out an entire tribe just to get a new home is beyond evil.
      Easy for you to say.

      You're not going extinct.

      Do you justify what Morrowseer was going to do? Kill all the RainWings just to find a new home for the NightWings?

      Justify? No. It was wrong.

      But it's understandable, and it doesn't make him evil.

      Understandable? It is certainly NOT understandable. There is no justification for genocide. NONE. ZIP. ZERO. It does not exist.

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    • Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote:

      Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote:


      Wingsofire wrote:

      TheHappyDragon wrote: DON'T say ANYTHING bad about morrowseer or whirly EVER!!! or else Matau and i will ************** sorry, i got carried away....

      Why can't I have negative feelings toward Morrowseer? He's the closest thing to a villain in the series (even more than Scarlet, who only makes a few brief appearances after Book One). Plotting to wipe out an entire tribe just to get a new home is beyond evil.
      Easy for you to say.

      You're not going extinct.

      Do you justify what Morrowseer was going to do? Kill all the RainWings just to find a new home for the NightWings?
      Justify? No. It was wrong.

      But it's understandable, and it doesn't make him evil.

      Understandable? It is certainly NOT understandable. There is no justification for genocide. NONE. ZIP. ZERO. It does not exist.

      "Serves them right." --Glory, on the NightWings going extinct

      And that's not even mentioning how Sunny thought it would have been simpler to let them all die.

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    • Matau99 wrote:
      Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote:


      Wingsofire wrote:

      Matau99 wrote:


      Wingsofire wrote:

      TheHappyDragon wrote: DON'T say ANYTHING bad about morrowseer or whirly EVER!!! or else Matau and i will ************** sorry, i got carried away....

      Why can't I have negative feelings toward Morrowseer? He's the closest thing to a villain in the series (even more than Scarlet, who only makes a few brief appearances after Book One). Plotting to wipe out an entire tribe just to get a new home is beyond evil.
      Easy for you to say.
      You're not going extinct.
      Do you justify what Morrowseer was going to do? Kill all the RainWings just to find a new home for the NightWings?
      Justify? No. It was wrong.

      But it's understandable, and it doesn't make him evil.

      Understandable? It is certainly NOT understandable. There is no justification for genocide. NONE. ZIP. ZERO. It does not exist.
      "Serves them right." --Glory, on the NightWings going extinct

      And that's not even mentioning how Sunny thought it would have been simpler to let them all die.

      You left out part of that quote though...

      "'We have to bring them to the rainforest,' he called to Glory, coughing and gasping. 'Or else the whole NightWing tribe could be wiped out today.'

      'Serves them right,' she called, but he could see from her face that she couldn't let that happen"

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    • Come argue about Morrowseer here: http://wingsoffire.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:96549

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    • XD I love how this whole thing turned into an argument about Morrowseer

      Also, I had this same thought about her! And even if it's proven false, Onyx is definitely an important character. Tui wouln't have dropped hints at her having 'plans' if she isn't.

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    • I really love this theory about Onyx! Wingsoffire shouldn't be so negative! 

      This still means Palm is dead, though, because the fourth moon/comet killed her, according to Onyx.

      This also means that Palm changed. A lot. Smolder told Sunny she reminded him of Palm. If Palm was anything like Sunny, she wouldn't be weeping and telling stories. Maybe Oasis threatened her or something. 

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    • Rainstorm239 wrote:
      I really love this theory about Onyx! Wingsoffire shouldn't be so negative! 

      This still means Palm is dead, though, because the fourth moon/comet killed her, according to Onyx.

      This also means that Palm changed. A lot. Smolder told Sunny she reminded him of Palm. If Palm was anything like Sunny, she wouldn't be weeping and telling stories. Maybe Oasis threatened her or something. 

      Yeah, she probably used to be sweet and happy, but then maybe got banished then got kind of depressed and obsessed with her past.

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    • I'm guessing that Oasis threatened to kill Smolder, and Palm was the kind of person who would say Ok, fine, I'll go away as long as you let him live.

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    • Rather likely, or maybe threatened to break the egg.

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    • Hm, I think Oasis didn't know there was an egg, since she tried to make sure none of her kids had children. If she did know I think she would have killed her.

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    • I have a theory about Onyx- though it is nowhere near as good or detailed as this one. I think Onyx wants to kill Thorn and take the throne for herself.

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    • That does appear to be her plan. I think Palm may actually have run off because of the egg, maybe Oasis found out about it and sent in assasins or something to kill them so Palm fled with the egg and even Oasis thinks they're dead?

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    • Or maybe she thought Smolder's girlfriend was somebody else and killed them instead of Palm.

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    • Or she sent someone to assassinate Palm but they couldn't finish the job. This would cause them to run away so Oasis wouldn't punish them. Maybe she thought that whoever she hired killed Palm but that wasn't actually the case.

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    • Ahhhhh... good idea, possibly real assasin.

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:


      '~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~'

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      Avoid this if you haven’t read Moon Rising yet and do not wish to know its contents.

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      As soon as I read about Onyx the first thought that came into my mind was, she is Blister in disguise. As I continued this notion became almost completely implausible. (I put almost to appease that sliver of hope I have for her actually being Blister. *sigh*)

      However, a new idea formed in my mind after I read Moonwatcher reading Onyx’s thoughts, and I searched through the entire book of Moon Rising to see if this new theory could be possible.

      Here is my theory:

      Onyx is the daughter of Palm and Smolder.

      It makes sense in my mind, and although I’m not very good at lecturing as some others on here (you know who you are), I hope I can make some of you at least hear me out.

      Now when we first actually meet Onyx, the dragonets are having their History lesson with Webs. After Icicle asked him a question about Peril, Onyx states that she’d like to know more about Thorn. Notice how she does not refer to Thorn as Queen Thorn, and when Qibli corrects her she takes no notice. From what she says afterwards you can see that she believes that only those descended from the royal family have the right to the throne. If you don’t believe me look at the passage.

      “’I’d like to know more about Thorn,’ Onyx spoke up.

      ‘You mean Queen Thorn,’ Qibli snapped.

      ‘It’s unprecedented, right?’ asked Onyx, ignoring him. ‘There’s never been a queen in history who wasn’t descended from the royal family. Isn’t that true?’

      ‘Well not exactly -' Webs tried.

      ‘Queen Thorn’s the best queen the SandWings have ever had,’ Qibli flared loyally. ‘If you think you can do better, maybe you should challenge her for the throne.’

      ‘But that’s my point,’ Onyx said sharply. ‘Does this mean now anyone could take the throne and become queen? Could that happen in other tribes, too? I mean, it sounds like asking for chaos and rebellion everywhere. That’s all I’m saying.’” Page 142

      I’d also like to point out how her last two sentences seem like she is trying to cover what she has said by using a decent reason, but not one that fits with her question about the royal lineage.

      In Chapter 20, on page 243, Moonwatcher sees more into Onyx’s thoughts.


      When Onyx is comparing Tamarin to her mother she thinks about how “she doesn’t snore like Mother or tell weepy stories and expect me to care” and I thought to myself about who would have weepy stories? A few dragons played through my mind, but none of them could be remotely connected to Onyx EXCEPT Palm and Smolder’s story.

      Are any of you seeing where this is coming from?

      I went back to where Moonwatcher first started reading Onyx’s thoughts on page 241.

      That’s right, admire me, fear me, wonder about me. You all have no idea who I am or what I’ll be one day. One day soon. No more hiding, Mother. I make the decisions now.”

      Who could she be that would make her so important? Why would she and her mother be hiding?

      Only one thing is possible now. Onyx is Palm and Smolder’s dragonet (although she isn’t really a dragonet now) and all through the war her mother, Palm, prevented her from trying to claim the throne, staying hidden.

      Oasis probably did something to make her fear coming back, so Smolder believed she was gone already.

      On page 245 Onyx thinks about a plan. She considers Qibli in her plan. Qibli is very close to Thorn (I’d like to say obsessed with her) and Onyx is probably planning to use him to learn more about Thorn so she can take the throne.

      Earlier, Onyx said she was 19. Since Oasis was killed 20 years ago, that means she hatched one year after Oasis was killed. Coincidence? Not. Back in The Brightest Night Smolder was allowed to keep Flower because he was still depressed about Palm. If he was still depressed, then Palm’s disappearance must have happened recently before the scavenger incident. If it was recently then if Palm had an egg, the dragon from it would be around 19, like Onyx is.

      Lastly, Sunny mentions Smolder when she is talking about Bandit’s problem. Names are never used without them being important in books by Tui T. Sutherland. Darkstalker was mentioned in the last book. He’s very important in this book. Moonwatcher was mentioned in the last book. She is the main character. Smolder is mentioned in this book. He will be important to the plot.

      That's all I have to say. Good night.

      That is a really good theory! It would explain why Onyx doesn't think Thorn should be queen and why she has the same diamond patterns as Smolder and Blister and also since that would make her descended from the royal family she would have a claim to the throne which would explain Moon's visions of Qibli yelling "Where is she!" (Presumably about Thorn) at his father and siblings if Onyx joins with Qibli's family to overthrow Thorn or something like that.

      It would also make her related to Blister, which makes sense, since Onyx sometimes seems like Blister without the evil bits.

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    • Jasmerry wrote:
      Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:

      '~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~'

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      Avoid this if you haven’t read Moon Rising yet and do not wish to know its contents.

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      As soon as I read about Onyx the first thought that came into my mind was, she is Blister in disguise. As I continued this notion became almost completely implausible. (I put almost to appease that sliver of hope I have for her actually being Blister. *sigh*)

      However, a new idea formed in my mind after I read Moonwatcher reading Onyx’s thoughts, and I searched through the entire book of Moon Rising to see if this new theory could be possible.

      Here is my theory:

      Onyx is the daughter of Palm and Smolder.

      It makes sense in my mind, and although I’m not very good at lecturing as some others on here (you know who you are), I hope I can make some of you at least hear me out.

      Now when we first actually meet Onyx, the dragonets are having their History lesson with Webs. After Icicle asked him a question about Peril, Onyx states that she’d like to know more about Thorn. Notice how she does not refer to Thorn as Queen Thorn, and when Qibli corrects her she takes no notice. From what she says afterwards you can see that she believes that only those descended from the royal family have the right to the throne. If you don’t believe me look at the passage.

      “’I’d like to know more about Thorn,’ Onyx spoke up.

      ‘You mean Queen Thorn,’ Qibli snapped.

      ‘It’s unprecedented, right?’ asked Onyx, ignoring him. ‘There’s never been a queen in history who wasn’t descended from the royal family. Isn’t that true?’

      ‘Well not exactly -' Webs tried.

      ‘Queen Thorn’s the best queen the SandWings have ever had,’ Qibli flared loyally. ‘If you think you can do better, maybe you should challenge her for the throne.’

      ‘But that’s my point,’ Onyx said sharply. ‘Does this mean now anyone could take the throne and become queen? Could that happen in other tribes, too? I mean, it sounds like asking for chaos and rebellion everywhere. That’s all I’m saying.’” Page 142

      I’d also like to point out how her last two sentences seem like she is trying to cover what she has said by using a decent reason, but not one that fits with her question about the royal lineage.

      In Chapter 20, on page 243, Moonwatcher sees more into Onyx’s thoughts.


      When Onyx is comparing Tamarin to her mother she thinks about how “she doesn’t snore like Mother or tell weepy stories and expect me to care” and I thought to myself about who would have weepy stories? A few dragons played through my mind, but none of them could be remotely connected to Onyx EXCEPT Palm and Smolder’s story.

      Are any of you seeing where this is coming from?

      I went back to where Moonwatcher first started reading Onyx’s thoughts on page 241.

      That’s right, admire me, fear me, wonder about me. You all have no idea who I am or what I’ll be one day. One day soon. No more hiding, Mother. I make the decisions now.”

      Who could she be that would make her so important? Why would she and her mother be hiding?

      Only one thing is possible now. Onyx is Palm and Smolder’s dragonet (although she isn’t really a dragonet now) and all through the war her mother, Palm, prevented her from trying to claim the throne, staying hidden.

      Oasis probably did something to make her fear coming back, so Smolder believed she was gone already.

      On page 245 Onyx thinks about a plan. She considers Qibli in her plan. Qibli is very close to Thorn (I’d like to say obsessed with her) and Onyx is probably planning to use him to learn more about Thorn so she can take the throne.

      Earlier, Onyx said she was 19. Since Oasis was killed 20 years ago, that means she hatched one year after Oasis was killed. Coincidence? Not. Back in The Brightest Night Smolder was allowed to keep Flower because he was still depressed about Palm. If he was still depressed, then Palm’s disappearance must have happened recently before the scavenger incident. If it was recently then if Palm had an egg, the dragon from it would be around 19, like Onyx is.

      Lastly, Sunny mentions Smolder when she is talking about Bandit’s problem. Names are never used without them being important in books by Tui T. Sutherland. Darkstalker was mentioned in the last book. He’s very important in this book. Moonwatcher was mentioned in the last book. She is the main character. Smolder is mentioned in this book. He will be important to the plot.

      That's all I have to say. Good night.

      That is a really good theory! It would explain why Onyx doesn't think Thorn should be queen and why she has the same diamond patterns as Smolder and Blister and also since that would make her descended from the royal family she would have a claim to the throne which would explain Moon's visions of Qibli yelling "Where is she!" (Presumably about Thorn) at his father and siblings if Onyx joins with Qibli's family to overthrow Thorn or something like that.

      It would also make her related to Blister, which makes sense, since Onyx sometimes seems like Blister without the evil bits.

      All these theories are so good! I usually never reach this deep into books. I love this thread!

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    • Let me just say I love this theory! The evidence is there and I love that idea. A few things make sense there. For one, it'd explain why she doesn't refer Thorn as Queen Thorn. Also, Sunny doesn't want to be Queen, so unless Queen Thorn found a new mate who she had offspring with, who else would rule? Perhaps that new ruler could be Onyx assuming she's royalty.

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    • Heron the Mudwing wrote:
      I have a theory about Onyx- though it is nowhere near as good or detailed as this one. I think Onyx wants to kill Thorn and take the throne for herself.

      Wow. You know, if you have read the WT spoilers, that's what she tries to do!

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    • Heron the Mudwing wrote:
      Heron the Mudwing wrote:
      I have a theory about Onyx- though it is nowhere near as good or detailed as this one. I think Onyx wants to kill Thorn and take the throne for herself.
      Wow. You know, if you have read the WT spoilers, that's what she tries to do!

      WHOA WHOA WHAT I need to see this.

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    • You know that SandWing from Fierceteeth's narrative? Forgot that SandWing's name, but maybe she's working with Onyx!

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    • I thought of that

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    • Heron the Mudwing wrote:
      Heron the Mudwing wrote:
      I have a theory about Onyx- though it is nowhere near as good or detailed as this one. I think Onyx wants to kill Thorn and take the throne for herself.
      Wow. You know, if you have read the WT spoilers, that's what she tries to do!

      She doesn't actually try to take the throne in WT, but in the epilogue she says "I will be queen by the end of the month".

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    • So apparently Fierceteeth's free now

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    • Mhm. I wonder if we get to see her in book 8.

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    • Maybe, too bad no other books are by mind readers. :(

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      The poll was created at 17:50 on July 3, 2015, and so far 28 people voted.
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    • I don't think so either.

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    • Heron the Mudwing wrote:
      Do you think this worked?
       
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      The poll was created at 17:50 on July 3, 2015, and so far 28 people voted.

      worked?

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    • Oh it did. Huh.

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    • When I voted it was just a bubble and the number of people who voted. I suppoe it just didnt load right.

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    • YEEESSSS!!! I've had the theory about onyx being Palm and smolders's daughter for a while now (I even shared it on the wings of fire scholastic page, under the title theories about what's coming next,) but no one believed me! It's awesome to see I'm not alone with this theory. I have to note that whenever someone just mentions something in the series, it almost always turns up later. Like that "weird rainwing" from book 7 that was only lime-green. I'm sure he will show up later, with it being reviled that he was half rainwing, or from a completely different tribe.

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      When did Onyx say she was Nineteen. That would mean she'd be older than the dragonets of destiny, i like the theory otherwise, but could palm have had skyfire dropped on her on purpose? And Sandwings had animus dragons. Could they have made Skyfire... but why them? Icewings I see, but...

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    • Narwhal the Seawing wrote:
       
      When did Onyx say she was Nineteen. That would mean she'd be older than the dragonets of destiny, i like the theory otherwise, but could palm have had skyfire dropped on her on purpose? And Sandwings had animus dragons. Could they have made Skyfire... but why them? Icewings I see, but...

      It was said in Book 6.

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    • When?

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    • Wolf the IceWing wrote:
      So apparently Fierceteeth's free now

      Was that Mightyclaws talking in the epilouge? I wonder if the army is with Scarlet. It was in the art cave, maybe? what do you think

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    • Narwhal the Seawing wrote:
      Wolf the IceWing wrote:
      So apparently Fierceteeth's free now
      Was that Mightyclaws talking in the epilouge? I wonder if the army is with Scarlet. It was in the art cave, maybe? what do you think

      I think the army is working with Onyx.

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    • Ya, I think so too. Onyx is probably trying to stage a coup with their support. Ugh, Winter Turning left me with more questions than answers. I WANT TO KNOW MOAR!

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    • I can't wait to see the lost city of night in book 8. I hope it is in book 8. Foeslayer can get them there. WHERE IS IT?

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    • I think it's Jade Mountain, but I could be wrong.

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    • That crossed my mind

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    • So I'm late to the party but

      HOLY COW THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE.

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    • May I expand on this idea?

      You don't even know how excited I am right now. We've found the villian.

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    • HarpyoftheRainWings wrote:
      I think it's Jade Mountain, but I could be wrong.

      The lost city of night could be found by circling the area of Darkstalker's reach (by seeing where Moon could reach him, and where she could not). They could roughly form a circle of area where Darkstalker could be reached, then they could pinpoint the middle of the area to find where Darkstalker would be buried. It could be at Jade Mountain, perhaps under there or around, as Darkstalker can reach anyone in Jade Mountain but not anyone by the rainforest or further.

      The Onyx theory here has lots of evidence. She could be the one in the prophecy; 'beware one who is not what she seems'. Though I thought that would be Anemone, because of the order of the dragonets (if Turtle is the main character of book 9):

      'Beware the darkness of dragons'- Darkstalker, important in Moon Rising.

      'Beware the stalker of dreams'- Queen Scarlet, important in Winter Turning.

      'Beware the talons of power and fire'- Peril, probably, main character of Escaping Peril.

      'Beware one who is not what she seems'- Someone in book 9 that will be important. Wasn't the main character of book 9 going to be a royal SeaWing? If it's Turtle, between the vision of Turtle and Anemone that Moonwatched had and the fact that Anemone is secretly an animus, then Anemone would fit this line. Onyx is definetely plotting something at the end of Winter Turning, though, and I suspect that, if Qibli is the main character of book 10, once we reach that far, Onyx will be revealed as a villain, and someone trying to overthrow Thorn, perhaps. All rough theories at this moment, though.

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    • @RaevynSkies all theories about Onyx are welcome.

      @CaldanDeLer I agree, the dragonets could do that, but I don't think they will think of that. And since Foeslayer is probably going to lead them to the kingdom I don't think they will do that. And I hadn't thought of Anenome being the one from that line of the prophecy! That would also make sense...

      As for the darkness of dragons lines, I believed it to be referring to how dragons are still seeking vengeance like Sora tried since one of the part names of Moon Rising was called the darkness of dragons.

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:
      @RaevynSkies all theories about Onyx are welcome.

      @CaldanDeLer I agree, the dragonets could do that, but I don't think they will think of that. And since Foeslayer is probably going to lead them to the kingdom I don't think they will do that. And I hadn't thought of Anenome being the one from that line of the prophecy! That would also make sense...

      As for the darkness of dragons lines, I believed it to be referring to how dragons are still seeking vengeance like Sora tried since one of the part names of Moon Rising was called the darkness of dragons.

      Hm, that could be possible for the 'darkness of dragons'.

      I didn't think they would go around and find Darkstalker that way, just an idea of how it could be done ;P Plus, then they would need Darkstalker's scroll, which Scarlet and her mystery companion have. Winter should've shown Moon the piece of paper that turned Hailstorm into Pyrite, she would've recognised it...

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    • Ya, I was thinking that the  whole time, 'Winter, show Moon the paper, NOW' I understand her not telling them, but still that's a hindrance to the team.

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    • I think Darkstalker will be really angry that scarlet and her companion ripped a piece out of his scroll.

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    • Oh, I didn't think of that, I always imagine an endless notepad where you just peel a page off. Even though I'm wrong. xD But ya, you're right.

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    • I kinda thought that ripping pieces off is how you use the scroll. I suppose if you run out of paper, you can just write "Return this scroll to its original size."

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    • CaldanDeLer wrote:
      HarpyoftheRainWings wrote:
      I think it's Jade Mountain, but I could be wrong.
      The lost city of night could be found by circling the area of Darkstalker's reach (by seeing where Moon could reach him, and where she could not). They could roughly form a circle of area where Darkstalker could be reached, then they could pinpoint the middle of the area to find where Darkstalker would be buried. It could be at Jade Mountain, perhaps under there or around, as Darkstalker can reach anyone in Jade Mountain but not anyone by the rainforest or further.

      The Onyx theory here has lots of evidence. She could be the one in the prophecy; 'beware one who is not what she seems'. Though I thought that would be Anemone, because of the order of the dragonets (if Turtle is the main character of book 9):

      'Beware the darkness of dragons'- Darkstalker, important in Moon Rising.

      'Beware the stalker of dreams'- Queen Scarlet, important in Winter Turning.

      'Beware the talons of power and fire'- Peril, probably, main character of Escaping Peril.

      'Beware one who is not what she seems'- Someone in book 9 that will be important. Wasn't the main character of book 9 going to be a royal SeaWing? If it's Turtle, between the vision of Turtle and Anemone that Moonwatched had and the fact that Anemone is secretly an animus, then Anemone would fit this line. Onyx is definetely plotting something at the end of Winter Turning, though, and I suspect that, if Qibli is the main character of book 10, once we reach that far, Onyx will be revealed as a villain, and someone trying to overthrow Thorn, perhaps. All rough theories at this moment, though.

      The lost city of night probably has his talisman, but my theory is that they lose the talisman or it gets stolen. Then the ask anenome for help, but she is already going crazy.

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    • @HarpyoftheRainWings That makes a lot of sense, now that I think of it, they probably would do that.

      @Narwhal the Seawing The NightWing who is with Scarlet has the talisman.

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    • @Sandycheekisawesome

      THAT WAS THE SCROLL HE WAS TAPPING. I DON'T THINK HE'S SHOWN SCARLET OR THE DRAGONETS WOULD BE DEAD.

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    • The scroll he was tapping? You mean you think that is Darkystalker's talisman?

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    • LOL typo i said 'Darky'stalker.

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    • Heron the Mudwing wrote:
      The scroll he was tapping? You mean you think that is Darkystalker's talisman?


      Yep. Pretty sure it is Darkystalker's talisman. XD

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    • Thaaaaat's... going to be his name now isn't it?

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    • Yay! Darkystalker!

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    • Moons... I suppose that is a yes. I'll contact tui, somebody change the page name... oh, and somebody get over to Pyrrhia and tell Moon he lied to her and his name is actually Darkystlker. And better change the Hatching Certificate too...

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    • Darkystalker is 3adorbs5me.

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    • Heron the Mudwing wrote:
      Moons... I suppose that is a yes. I'll contact tui, somebody change the page name... oh, and somebody get over to Pyrrhia and tell Moon he lied to her and his name is actually Darkystlker. And better change the Hatching Certificate too...


      There's a hatching certificate?! Why wasn't I notified?!

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    • DARKYSTALKER YAYAYAAYAYAYAYYAYAYA!

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    • Ahem ahem ahem.

      Now presenting.. the newly renamed... DARKYSTALKER!

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    • Very interesting theory. But Oasis killed Palm herself. And surely if Palm escaped, she would tell Smolder, and Oasis would hunt her down. In the Brightest Night prolouge, she said "No, I took care of her." When refering to 'Smolder's girlfriend' aka Palm. Everything makes sense except that, really.

      I personally think that Onyx is trying to take the SandWing throne. The question, "Does that means anyone could take the throne?" and the plan, the plan that involved Qibli. The plan that involved Thorn, the only real obstacle between her and being Queen of the SandWings.

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    • ShardofSun wrote:
      Very interesting theory. But Oasis killed Palm herself. And surely if Palm escaped, she would tell Smolder, and Oasis would hunt her down. In the Brightest Night prolouge, she said "No, I took care of her." When refering to 'Smolder's girlfriend' aka Palm. Everything makes sense except that, really.

      I personally think that Onyx is trying to take the SandWing throne. The question, "Does that means anyone could take the throne?" and the plan, the plan that involved Qibli. The plan that involved Thorn, the only real obstacle between her and being Queen of the SandWings.

      We don't know for sure that Oasis killed Palm herself, all we know is that Palm vanished 20 years previously. And a year afterward Onyx was born, and that dragon eggs take a year to hatch.

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    • I think now that Qibli is gone Onyx will go for Sunny, and that is WHERE IS SHE and not Moon. Why would they need Moon? I think Onyx will go for Sunny.

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    • Then who is the SandWing Tui mentioned in Prisoners that she said would be important?

      I can't think of anyone else it would correlate to except for Palm, or a new character.

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    • RaevynSkies wrote:
      Then who is the SandWing Tui mentioned in Prisoners that she said would be important?

      I can't think of anyone else it would correlate to except for Palm, or a new character.

      I haven't read Prisoners in a while, but I think it's a new character. The SandWing that was passing notes with Fierceteeth, if that's who you're talking about, is male. As far as I know, Palm will never become a major part of the plot line. She's mentioned only about three times, her actual name only once.

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    • ShardofSun wrote:
      RaevynSkies wrote:
      Then who is the SandWing Tui mentioned in Prisoners that she said would be important?

      I can't think of anyone else it would correlate to except for Palm, or a new character.

      I haven't read Prisoners in a while, but I think it's a new character. The SandWing that was passing notes with Fierceteeth, if that's who you're talking about, is male. As far as I know, Palm will never become a major part of the plot line. She's mentioned only about three times, her actual name only once.

      No, they're talking about the insane one a few cells away who had been in there since the rule of Oasis. Also, Saguaro is female.

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    • Wolf the IceWing wrote:
      ShardofSun wrote:
      Very interesting theory. But Oasis killed Palm herself. And surely if Palm escaped, she would tell Smolder, and Oasis would hunt her down. In the Brightest Night prolouge, she said "No, I took care of her." When refering to 'Smolder's girlfriend' aka Palm. Everything makes sense except that, really.

      I personally think that Onyx is trying to take the SandWing throne. The question, "Does that means anyone could take the throne?" and the plan, the plan that involved Qibli. The plan that involved Thorn, the only real obstacle between her and being Queen of the SandWings.

      We don't know for sure that Oasis killed Palm herself, all we know is that Palm vanished 20 years previously. And a year afterward Onyx was born, and that dragon eggs take a year to hatch.

      I'm pretty sure that Oasis did kill Palm. Her words, combined with the motivation of it, would point to the fact that she wouldn't simply imprison Palm. She would kill her. Remember, Oasis never wanted too many challengers, so she forbid her children from having any eggs, or mating of any kind.
      And, as I have mentioned before, Palm will most likely never play a huge role. Tui can place hints that are almost unnoticeable, but Palm has been mentioned about a total of three times, so I don't believe she was ever meant to be more then something to give Smolder a bit of tragic backstory.

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    • ShardofSun wrote:
      Wolf the IceWing wrote:
      ShardofSun wrote:
      Very interesting theory. But Oasis killed Palm herself. And surely if Palm escaped, she would tell Smolder, and Oasis would hunt her down. In the Brightest Night prolouge, she said "No, I took care of her." When refering to 'Smolder's girlfriend' aka Palm. Everything makes sense except that, really.

      I personally think that Onyx is trying to take the SandWing throne. The question, "Does that means anyone could take the throne?" and the plan, the plan that involved Qibli. The plan that involved Thorn, the only real obstacle between her and being Queen of the SandWings.

      We don't know for sure that Oasis killed Palm herself, all we know is that Palm vanished 20 years previously. And a year afterward Onyx was born, and that dragon eggs take a year to hatch.
      I'm pretty sure that Oasis did kill Palm. Her words, combined with the motivation of it, would point to the fact that she wouldn't simply imprison Palm. She would kill her. Remember, Oasis never wanted too many challengers, so she forbid her children from having any eggs, or mating of any kind.
      And, as I have mentioned before, Palm will most likely never play a huge role. Tui can place hints that are almost unnoticeable, but Palm has been mentioned about a total of three times, so I don't believe she was ever meant to be more then something to give Smolder a bit of tragic backstory.

      She said during the liveshow the dragon in there was important and I can't think of a single other dragon she'd imprison.

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    • I totally love the theory. And I agree that we don't know for sure the Oasis killed Palm. Maybe Oasis said that she will kill Palm and the egg if she does not leave the Kingdom of Sand. But then again Blaze said the she just disapeard and that everyone was thinking that she killed Palm. So it seems that Oasis has a similar reputaion like Coral, killing anyone who fails her or makes her mad. I respect your theory and I agree with you 80%. A small part me disagrees with you but I am not saying that I am right. Anything can happen

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    • We don't even know for sure that Oasis found out about Palm, though it's very likely. It's possible that Palm knew she was going to have an egg and left before Oasis could find out, and that she didn't tell Smolder to make sure that there was no way Oasis could find out.

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    • Well, Blaze did say that Oasis found about one of her brother's girlfriend, basically in The Hidden Kingdom. But you could be right about the other part, Palm leaving before Oasis could get her and found out about the egg.

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    • Oh, oops. i forgot about that.

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    • And in the prolouge of the brightest night, blister asks if smolder ran off with his girlfriend again and Oasis said that she took care of her. 

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    • Oh! I didn't catch that! Thanks for telling me.

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    • Your Welcome :)

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    • Does this mean Smolder could be plotting to over throw queen Thorn

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    • No, I think that he has no idea he even has a child.

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    • I agree

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    • No mention to this in Escaping Peril... Someone go ask Tui. She went to my friend's school. I asked him to ask her a question. He said he would, but he forgot. Incase you are wondering, the queston was: "How tall is Jade Mountain?" and is now: "How tall was Jade Mountain, prior to that large dragon leaving?"

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    • StanleyMinesRainWing wrote:
      No mention to this in Escaping Peril... Someone go ask Tui. She went to my friend's school. I asked him to ask her a question. He said he would, but he forgot. Incase you are wondering, the queston was: "How tall is Jade Mountain?" and is now: "How tall was Jade Mountain, prior to that large dragon leaving?"

      And if you are going to ask her, also ask her ... I forgot.... What was I going to type?

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    • Wolf the IceWing wrote:
      Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:
      ThatDragonLayingAround wrote:
      Remember, in HK Blaze was talking about Palm and Smolder. She said that Palm disappeared and everyone thinks she was killed by Oasis.
      Exactly!
      It kind of sucks that the love of Smoulder's life would have been alive for the 20 years he thought she was dead and then died shortly after the war after being hit by a meteor

      Another thing to make this theory more logical was in TBN it said that Oasis had six dragonets so there wouldn't be too many challengers and that she didn't care about her children much, so it isn't hard to imagine Oasis finding out she was pregnant and threatening to kill her, Smoulder, or the dragonet unless she left

      I'm willing to bet Onyx's touching meteor story is a lie.  It's so unlikely to have occured, that I expect she made the entire thing up, and her mother was isntead killed by soldiers or something.  

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    • Hm, that could be true too. Moonwatcher was only able to catch a glimpse afterall. Her powers only glean the thoughts a dragon actively has... I have a feeling we will be seeing more of Onyx in the next book.

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:
      Hm, that could be true too. Moonwatcher was only able to catch a glimpse afterall. Her powers only glean the thoughts a dragon actively has... I have a feeling we will be seeing more of Onyx in the next book.

      I expect she'll be the main antagonist of book 10, given the "bird" medallions and Moon's vision (30 cacti hype)

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    • Knowing Onyx, she probably killed Palm herself. She was old enough, eligible to be queen, and the time was ripe to start an overthrow, but the only thing stopping her from seizing the throne was Palm.



      Now I'm intrigued. Tui said the SandWing in Prisoners would appear later. Who would it be apart from Palm? Or is it Palm?

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    • Saltywhale2 wrote:

      30 cacti hype

      Thirty Cacti Hype!!!!

      Edit: put the "30 cacti hype" back on the correct line. That was a pain to do...

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    • StanleyMinesRainWing wrote: No mention to this in Escaping Peril... Someone go ask Tui. She went to my friend's school. I asked him to ask her a question. He said he would, but he forgot. Incase you are wondering, the queston was: "How tall is Jade Mountain?" and is now: "How tall was Jade Mountain, prior to that large dragon leaving?"

      Darkstalker did not come out of Jade Mountain. He came out of a different mountain. It said so in EP.

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    • I was disappointed there was no mention of Onyx during EP.

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    • Kraken the Seawing wrote:
      I was disappointed there was no mention of Onyx during EP.

      Same. I hoped there could even be the slightest hint of her plans, but there wasn't. I guess there's going to be more of that in Talons of Power and Book 10.

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    • I want Onyx to fail in her plans to seize the throne... No offense to those of you who really like antagonists.

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    • Rainstorm239 wrote:
      Kraken the Seawing wrote:
      I was disappointed there was no mention of Onyx during EP.
      Same. I hoped there could even be the slightest hint of her plans, but there wasn't. I guess there's going to be more of that in Talons of Power and Book 10.
      • cough* 30 cacti *cough*
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    • You think the explosion was HER doing?! Very likely.

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    • Kraken the Seawing wrote:
      I want Onyx to fail in her plans to seize the throne... No offense to those of you who really like antagonists.

      She probably is, because Thorn too much of a likable character for Tui to kill off.

      Plus, Tui has to make the "good guys" win because look, it's a kids series.

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    • RaevynSkies wrote:
      because look, it's a kids series.
      You Serious?-0

      You Serious?-0

      *first dragon we meet*
      • hivitur*
      • graphically dies before the eggs are even gathered to fufill the objective for arc one*

      Kids book yeah!!!

      Still wonder what this would be like if it wasn't a kids book to be honest...

      Blood, gore, lots more graphic detail... Maybe a few other details huehuehuehuehue... ~

      Well maybe not those kinds of details but maybe if the dragonets weren't exactly dragonets maybe the love triangles would be a bit deeper and more complex.

      Ontopic here: I've been wondering whats come of several characters since we last saw them, SandWings in partiuclar, dunno why... Blaze, Thorn, Onyx and the likes..

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    • RaevynSkies wrote:

      She probably is, because Thorn too much of a likable character for Tui to kill off.

      Plus, Tui has to make the "good guys" win because look, it's a kids series.

      The Talons of Power will be the book to "rip out your heart and stomp on it." --Tui T. Sutherland

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    • Mydragonsfly wrote:

      RaevynSkies wrote:because look, it's a kids series.
      You Serious?-0

      You Serious?-0

      *first dragon we meet* *hivitur* *graphically dies before the eggs are even gathered to fufill the objective for arc one* Kids book yeah!!! Still wonder what this would be like if it wasn't a kids book to be honest... Blood, gore, lots more graphic detail... Maybe a few other details huehuehuehuehue... ~ Well maybe not those kinds of details but maybe if the dragonets weren't exactly dragonets maybe the love triangles would be a bit deeper and more complex. Ontopic here: I've been wondering whats come of several characters since we last saw them, SandWings in partiuclar, dunno why... Blaze, Thorn, Onyx and the likes..I spent half of my waking hours arguing with others of how WoF isn't a kids series, I know what I'm talking about.

      Tui's writing with all age groups in mind, but she just can't abandon one of them, especially if it's her supposed target audience. Plus, she's toned down a lot with the blood and gore, especially with Peril's book, which if Tui was set to write without little kids in mind would be a lot more grisly and less caps.

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    • Tru... There are words that I dont know... I'm in 9th grade, and I've been told my vocabulary is good. 

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    • RaevynSkies wrote:
      Kraken the Seawing wrote:
      I want Onyx to fail in her plans to seize the throne... No offense to those of you who really like antagonists.
      She probably is, because Thorn too much of a likable character for Tui to kill off.

      Plus, Tui has to make the "good guys" win because look, it's a kids series.

      Thorn and Glory are going to die before book 10 ends, I guarentee it.  It's over :(

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    • Saltywhale2 wrote:
      RaevynSkies wrote:
      Kraken the Seawing wrote:
      I want Onyx to fail in her plans to seize the throne... No offense to those of you who really like antagonists.
      She probably is, because Thorn too much of a likable character for Tui to kill off.

      Plus, Tui has to make the "good guys" win because look, it's a kids series.

      Thorn and Glory are going to die before book 10 ends, I guarentee it.  It's over :(

      Well god that would make an amazing plot twist for sure

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    • Yeah it would be awesome.

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    • onxy is also working with the Sandwing gaurd from Prisoners.

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    • Saltywhale2 wrote:

      RaevynSkies wrote:
      Kraken the Seawing wrote:
      I want Onyx to fail in her plans to seize the throne... No offense to those of you who really like antagonists.
      She probably is, because Thorn too much of a likable character for Tui to kill off.

      Plus, Tui has to make the "good guys" win because look, it's a kids series.

      Thorn and Glory are going to die before book 10 ends, I guarentee it.  It's over :(

      Seriously, why would Tui kill off Glory? What kind of sense would that make? None whatsoever.

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    • Manatee the RainWing wrote:

      Seriously, why would Tui kill off Glory? What kind of sense would that make? None whatsoever.

      That would put two tribes that don't exactly like each other that just happen to live in the same rainforest (which the nightwings wanted to take over to begin with), without a queen.

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    • Thorn might die, she's not that important of a character.

      Sixclaws might die, she's not that much of a important character. 


      Glory, Sunny and Qibli won't die.

      Seriously, in what type of books do the main character(s) die?

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    • QuTsunami125 wrote: Thorn might die, she's not that important of a character.

      Sixclaws might die, she's not that much of a important character. 


      Glory, Sunny and Qibli won't die.

      Seriously, in what type of books do the main character(s) die?

      In divergent. And Six-Claws is a guy, btw

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    • And in Warriors, Guardians of Ga'Hoole, etc.

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    • Just read the Bronze Key and a main character died.... why...

      • goes and rereads passage to see if there's a chance he survived when he couldn't have
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    • HarpyoftheRainWings wrote: And in Warriors, Guardians of Ga'Hoole, etc.

      I'm not so sure if that counts in G of G.... Coryn wasn't the main main character.

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    • Rainstorm239 wrote:

      QuTsunami125 wrote: Thorn might die, she's not that important of a character.

      Sixclaws might die, she's not that much of a important character. 


      Glory, Sunny and Qibli won't die.

      Seriously, in what type of books do the main character(s) die?

      In divergent. And Six-Claws is a guy, btw

      I wasn't really paying attention to what I was typing.

      I doesn't matter that much does it? He still isn't that important of a character

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    • QuTsunami125 wrote:

      Rainstorm239 wrote:

      QuTsunami125 wrote: Thorn might die, she's not that important of a character.

      Sixclaws might die, she's not that much of a important character. 


      Glory, Sunny and Qibli won't die.

      Seriously, in what type of books do the main character(s) die?

      In divergent. And Six-Claws is a guy, btw

      I wasn't really paying attention to what I was typing.

      I doesn't matter that much does it? He still isn't that important of a character

      I don't this it's right to call any character "unimportant". I mean look at Fierceteeth. She might have just been Starflight's sister to some readers, but she got her own book.

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    • Rainstorm239 wrote:

      QuTsunami125 wrote:

      Rainstorm239 wrote:

      QuTsunami125 wrote: Thorn might die, she's not that important of a character.

      Sixclaws might die, she's not that much of a important character. 


      Glory, Sunny and Qibli won't die.

      Seriously, in what type of books do the main character(s) die?

      In divergent. And Six-Claws is a guy, btw
      I wasn't really paying attention to what I was typing.

      I doesn't matter that much does it? He still isn't that important of a character

      I don't this it's right to call any character "unimportant". I mean look at Fierceteeth. She might have just been Starflight's sister to some readers, but she got her own book.

      So far they aren't important... they could be in the future. No book is coming our before ToP. So... I'm just saying they aren't important yet. Also, the winglet characters aren't that important in the actual books. The stories in the winglets are alot more important than the  main characters in the winglets. Except Fierceteeth and that SandWing guard, who are probaly planning to kill Glory and Thorn. (Fierceteeth wants Glory dead and the SandWing guard (what was her name?) is planning with Onyx to over take Thorn). I'm not saying that they will suceed though. Glory can't die... or all peace created will me ruined.

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    • I don't think Clay or Glory will die, because each of them have already almost/presumed to be died/dead. It would seem like too much of a do-over if they did.

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    • Cometchaser the NightWing wrote: I don't think Clay or Glory will die, because each of them have already almost/presumed to be died/dead. It would seem like too much of a do-over if they did.

      that's a good point. but glory's "death" only lasted for about two seconds xD

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    • Was Glory's "death" the moment when Scarlet threw the MudWing head at the dragonets of destiny and the SkyWings?

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    • QuTsunami125 wrote: Was Glory's "death" the moment when Scarlet threw the MudWing head at the dragonets of destiny and the SkyWings?

      Yup.

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    • Rainstorm239 wrote:

      Cometchaser the NightWing wrote: I don't think Clay or Glory will die, because each of them have already almost/presumed to be died/dead. It would seem like too much of a do-over if they did.

      that's a good point. but glory's "death" only lasted for about two seconds xD

      Tru, but still, I was like WHAT? NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I think it would be weird to have another WHAT? NOOOOOOOOOOOO! moment with Glory again, and it wouldn't seem as effective.

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    • There's also the end of Winter Turning.

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    • Cometchaser the NightWing wrote:
      Rainstorm239 wrote:

      Cometchaser the NightWing wrote: I don't think Clay or Glory will die, because each of them have already almost/presumed to be died/dead. It would seem like too much of a do-over if they did.

      that's a good point. but glory's "death" only lasted for about two seconds xD
      Tru, but still, I was like WHAT? NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I think it would be weird to have another WHAT? NOOOOOOOOOOOO! moment with Glory again, and it wouldn't seem as effective.

      That might happen...


      Clay is dead? What? (goes back and reads it again) Oh. nvm.

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      '~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~'

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      Avoid this if you haven’t read Moon Rising yet and do not wish to know its contents.

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      As soon as I read about Onyx the first thought that came into my mind was, she is Blister in disguise. As I continued this notion became almost completely implausible. (I put almost to appease that sliver of hope I have for her actually being Blister. *sigh*)

      However, a new idea formed in my mind after I read Moonwatcher reading Onyx’s thoughts, and I searched through the entire book of Moon Rising to see if this new theory could be possible.

      Here is my theory:

      Onyx is the daughter of Palm and Smolder.

      It makes sense in my mind, and although I’m not very good at lecturing as some others on here (you know who you are), I hope I can make some of you at least hear me out.

      Now when we first actually meet Onyx, the dragonets are having their History lesson with Webs. After Icicle asked him a question about Peril, Onyx states that she’d like to know more about Thorn. Notice how she does not refer to Thorn as Queen Thorn, and when Qibli corrects her she takes no notice. From what she says afterwards you can see that she believes that only those descended from the royal family have the right to the throne. If you don’t believe me look at the passage.

      “’I’d like to know more about Thorn,’ Onyx spoke up.

      ‘You mean Queen Thorn,’ Qibli snapped.

      ‘It’s unprecedented, right?’ asked Onyx, ignoring him. ‘There’s never been a queen in history who wasn’t descended from the royal family. Isn’t that true?’

      ‘Well not exactly -' Webs tried.

      ‘Queen Thorn’s the best queen the SandWings have ever had,’ Qibli flared loyally. ‘If you think you can do better, maybe you should challenge her for the throne.’

      ‘But that’s my point,’ Onyx said sharply. ‘Does this mean now anyone could take the throne and become queen? Could that happen in other tribes, too? I mean, it sounds like asking for chaos and rebellion everywhere. That’s all I’m saying.’” Page 142

      I’d also like to point out how her last two sentences seem like she is trying to cover what she has said by using a decent reason, but not one that fits with her question about the royal lineage.

      In Chapter 20, on page 243, Moonwatcher sees more into Onyx’s thoughts.


      When Onyx is comparing Tamarin to her mother she thinks about how “she doesn’t snore like Mother or tell weepy stories and expect me to care” and I thought to myself about who would have weepy stories? A few dragons played through my mind, but none of them could be remotely connected to Onyx EXCEPT Palm and Smolder’s story.

      Are any of you seeing where this is coming from?

      I went back to where Moonwatcher first started reading Onyx’s thoughts on page 241.

      That’s right, admire me, fear me, wonder about me. You all have no idea who I am or what I’ll be one day. One day soon. No more hiding, Mother. I make the decisions now.”

      Who could she be that would make her so important? Why would she and her mother be hiding?

      Only one thing is possible now. Onyx is Palm and Smolder’s dragonet (although she isn’t really a dragonet now) and all through the war her mother, Palm, prevented her from trying to claim the throne, staying hidden.

      Oasis probably did something to make her fear coming back, so Smolder believed she was gone already.

      On page 245 Onyx thinks about a plan. She considers Qibli in her plan. Qibli is very close to Thorn (I’d like to say obsessed with her) and Onyx is probably planning to use him to learn more about Thorn so she can take the throne.

      Earlier, Onyx said she was 19. Since Oasis was killed 20 years ago, that means she hatched one year after Oasis was killed. Coincidence? Not. Back in The Brightest Night Smolder was allowed to keep Flower because he was still depressed about Palm. If he was still depressed, then Palm’s disappearance must have happened recently before the scavenger incident. If it was recently then if Palm had an egg, the dragon from it would be around 19, like Onyx is.

      Lastly, Sunny mentions Smolder when she is talking about Bandit’s problem. Names are never used without them being important in books by Tui T. Sutherland. Darkstalker was mentioned in the last book. He’s very important in this book. Moonwatcher was mentioned in the last book. She is the main character. Smolder is mentioned in this book. He will be important to the plot.

      That's all I have to say. Good night.

      Well, it's a cool theory, but I think that Palm is the "gibbering mad SandWing" from Prisoner.

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    • Guyz I agree with the theory onyx is palms daughter because look nobody nos what happened to her right and Oasis knew she didn't have daughters to fit the throne so maybe palm told oasis she was pregnant and let her be exiled with her life and dragonet so that if the 3 princesses aren't worthy onyx might be, onyx is a important character though with her plans and it also backs up with how she asked webs about the throne of the sandwings.

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    • Palm was never pregnant; dragons lay eggs.

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    • who else reading this in 2017

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    • Manatee the RainWing wrote:
      Palm was never pregnant; dragons lay eggs.

      Well, she would have to develop the eggs before laying them.

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    • Extactly!

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    • 174.30.88.30 wrote:
      Manatee the RainWing wrote:
      Palm was never pregnant; dragons lay eggs.
      Well, she would have to develop the eggs before laying them.

      YES!

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    • I'm excited for darkness of dragons. Because I think that is when onyx will appear with quibli's sibilings and do something

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    • Sandycheeksisawesome wrote:


      '~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~'

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      Avoid this if you haven’t read Moon Rising yet and do not wish to know its contents.

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      ~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~SPOILERS~

      As soon as I read about Onyx the first thought that came into my mind was, she is Blister in disguise. As I continued this notion became almost completely implausible. (I put almost to appease that sliver of hope I have for her actually being Blister. *sigh*)

      However, a new idea formed in my mind after I read Moonwatcher reading Onyx’s thoughts, and I searched through the entire book of Moon Rising to see if this new theory could be possible.

      Here is my theory:

      Onyx is the daughter of Palm and Smolder.

      It makes sense in my mind, and although I’m not very good at lecturing as some others on here (you know who you are), I hope I can make some of you at least hear me out.

      Now when we first actually meet Onyx, the dragonets are having their History lesson with Webs. After Icicle asked him a question about Peril, Onyx states that she’d like to know more about Thorn. Notice how she does not refer to Thorn as Queen Thorn, and when Qibli corrects her she takes no notice. From what she says afterwards you can see that she believes that only those descended from the royal family have the right to the throne. If you don’t believe me look at the passage.

      “’I’d like to know more about Thorn,’ Onyx spoke up.

      ‘You mean Queen Thorn,’ Qibli snapped.

      ‘It’s unprecedented, right?’ asked Onyx, ignoring him. ‘There’s never been a queen in history who wasn’t descended from the royal family. Isn’t that true?’

      ‘Well not exactly -' Webs tried.

      ‘Queen Thorn’s the best queen the SandWings have ever had,’ Qibli flared loyally. ‘If you think you can do better, maybe you should challenge her for the throne.’

      ‘But that’s my point,’ Onyx said sharply. ‘Does this mean now anyone could take the throne and become queen? Could that happen in other tribes, too? I mean, it sounds like asking for chaos and rebellion everywhere. That’s all I’m saying.’” Page 142

      I’d also like to point out how her last two sentences seem like she is trying to cover what she has said by using a decent reason, but not one that fits with her question about the royal lineage.

      In Chapter 20, on page 243, Moonwatcher sees more into Onyx’s thoughts.


      When Onyx is comparing Tamarin to her mother she thinks about how “she doesn’t snore like Mother or tell weepy stories and expect me to care” and I thought to myself about who would have weepy stories? A few dragons played through my mind, but none of them could be remotely connected to Onyx EXCEPT Palm and Smolder’s story.

      Are any of you seeing where this is coming from?

      I went back to where Moonwatcher first started reading Onyx’s thoughts on page 241.

      That’s right, admire me, fear me, wonder about me. You all have no idea who I am or what I’ll be one day. One day soon. No more hiding, Mother. I make the decisions now.”

      Who could she be that would make her so important? Why would she and her mother be hiding?

      Only one thing is possible now. Onyx is Palm and Smolder’s dragonet (although she isn’t really a dragonet now) and all through the war her mother, Palm, prevented her from trying to claim the throne, staying hidden.

      Oasis probably did something to make her fear coming back, so Smolder believed she was gone already.

      On page 245 Onyx thinks about a plan. She considers Qibli in her plan. Qibli is very close to Thorn (I’d like to say obsessed with her) and Onyx is probably planning to use him to learn more about Thorn so she can take the throne.

      Earlier, Onyx said she was 19. Since Oasis was killed 20 years ago, that means she hatched one year after Oasis was killed. Coincidence? Not. Back in The Brightest Night Smolder was allowed to keep Flower because he was still depressed about Palm. If he was still depressed, then Palm’s disappearance must have happened recently before the scavenger incident. If it was recently then if Palm had an egg, the dragon from it would be around 19, like Onyx is.

      Lastly, Sunny mentions Smolder when she is talking about Bandit’s problem. Names are never used without them being important in books by Tui T. Sutherland. Darkstalker was mentioned in the last book. He’s very important in this book. Moonwatcher was mentioned in the last book. She is the main character. Smolder is mentioned in this book. He will be important to the plot.

      That's all I have to say. Good night.

      Omg I just realized...... the prologue to Darkness of Dragons literally says that Palm's sister was arrested instead of her, and that Palm decided to run away and travel the continent, but found out she had an egg. 

      You know what Onyx and her mother did? Travel the continent.

      After the release of the prologue, this theory is extremely possible. 

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    • This makes so much sense, because in Moon Rising Onyx thinks about how people should fear her and what she'll be one day, and if she's Smolder and Palm's daughter than she has ROYAL SANDWIBG BLOOD, so she can be the new queen!

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    • Hohoho I rise from the dead, read the prologue, and it seems like I might be probably right. Glad to see people are still looking at this.

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    • I love it when people make logical theories that they really think through...  I love theories...  I'll be reading a new book or watching a show (Miraculous...) and be like, "Mom!  I have a theory! Blablablablablabla"  I think its perfectly normal. *shrugs*

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    • 108.45.175.37 wrote:
      This makes so much sense, because in Moon Rising Onyx thinks about how people should fear her and what she'll be one day, and if she's Smolder and Palm's daughter than she has ROYAL SANDWING BLOOD, so she can be the new queen!

      Have you read Darkness of Dragons yet?

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    • SANDY IM SO PROUD OF THIS THEORY YOURE A GENIUS

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    • OwO you are a seer

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    • Wow, you predicted the future of the series.

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    • 'Tis canon. Good job, my friend.

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